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Post by Paul on Nov 26, 2012 8:55:20 GMT 9.5
OK, here's a radical idea. A license to purchase alcohol. Prohibition isn't a popular idea. But alcohol is ruining millions of lives. Most of them innocent lives. Let's face it. Not everyone is responsible enough to handle their liquor. We (at least in the US)are taught that driving is a privilage not a right. We prove we are responsible enough to drive and we get a license. Abuse that privilage and it is taken away. So we set up classes to teach the harmful affects of drinking and our responsiblies. We get a card like a driver's license that we show when buying alcohol. Abuse this privilage and we loose it. A drunk driving charge, get drunk, cause trouble so the police show up etc and we loose our privilage to purchase alcohol. We have the technology for every place that sells or serves alcohol to scan this card. Impose heavy penalties for supplying alcohol to anyone whose alcohol license is suspened. Comments? Paul
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Post by steelydan on Nov 26, 2012 11:33:18 GMT 9.5
There are penalties for driving drunk etc now. Not sure what having a license to purchase alcohol would accomplish especially when the people that wanted it bad enough could just get someone else to get it for them. That's what many underage college students do now. Also, isn't alcoholism a disease? I think the issue is much more complicated than just purchasing a license. Just my two cents...
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Post by Paul on Nov 26, 2012 13:22:26 GMT 9.5
Penaties for drunk driving are worthless and have aboslutely no affect. They get right back behind the wheel. Fifty years at back breakingly hard labor with no hope of parole would be a start. The survivers would be to old and decrepid to drive. Keeping them from getting booze would have more effect. Drunks harm people even when they are not driving. Why penalize everyone with prohibition? As for alcoholism being a disease that's an excuse. "It's not my fault, it's a disease". "You can't fire me for being drunk, it's not my fault, it's a disease." "I beat my children but it's not my fault, it's a disease" Paul
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Post by Chips on Nov 29, 2012 5:09:54 GMT 9.5
A licence?
the fact that I can produce 20 litres of homemade- wine standing at 18% by alcoholic volume for about 20 cents a litre in two weeks pretty much negates that idea.
alcohol is too easy to make
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Post by thelion on Nov 29, 2012 18:31:38 GMT 9.5
the Northern Territory actually had a scheme up and running earlier in the year, where if one was picked up three times in a three month period for drunk in a public place, they were placed on a banned drinkers list, when anyone went to purchase takeaway alcohol they had to provide their drivers licence of other photo id. in the six months it was law nearly 2500 drinkers were on the banned drinkers list. Change of governemnt to the Liberal party saw that law recinded, at the request of the Hoteliers association apparently they were losing tens of thousands of dollars in Alice Springs. From my own observations it was most definitely reducing drunkrn aborigines on the street, and for the first time in my 35 years of living in Darwin it was Possible to drive on Parap road at the speed limit instead of 20 kmh for fear of hitting a drunk stepping out onto the road without looking!
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Post by steelydan on Dec 3, 2012 2:07:41 GMT 9.5
Penaties for drunk driving are worthless and have aboslutely no affect. They get right back behind the wheel. Fifty years at back breakingly hard labor with no hope of parole would be a start. The survivers would be to old and decrepid to drive. Keeping them from getting booze would have more effect. Drunks harm people even when they are not driving. Why penalize everyone with prohibition? As for alcoholism being a disease that's an excuse. "It's not my fault, it's a disease". "You can't fire me for being drunk, it's not my fault, it's a disease." "I beat my children but it's not my fault, it's a disease" Paul You didn't explain how you would keep them from getting alcohol when I showed you in my post just how easy it is for someone else to get it for you. You have to be able to acknowledge that it is a disease (which it is) and be willing to take responsibility for your actions. Repeat offenders haven't learned that and requiring them to buy a "license" wouldn't teach them that either. If you want to solve a problem it's always best to try to do that with your common sense and not with your emotions.
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Post by Paul on Dec 9, 2012 14:58:18 GMT 9.5
It wouldn't make it impossible to get alcohol. Just more difficult. And impose penalties for those supplying alcoholo illegally. And the only reason alcoholisn is declared a disease is so drunks won't have to take responsbility for being drunk. I drove drunk and killed a bus load of children. It's not my fault, it's a disease. I got drunk and beat my wife and kids. It's not my fault, it's a disease. Their life is living hell but hey, it's not my fault. I have to live my life responsibly so I have no sympathy at all for drunks and druggies. Oh by the way, the court ordered Chrysler to hire back workers who were fired for drinking and doing drugs while on the job. So know that if you by a Chrysler ti was built by stoned drunk workers. Paul
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Post by steelydan on Dec 10, 2012 14:13:53 GMT 9.5
There are already penalties for people that supply alcohol illegally. Again, I think your looking at the problem emotionally and not rationally. Your own, admitted radical idea simply doesn't demonstrate any solution to a very real problem.
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Post by Paul on Dec 11, 2012 18:20:03 GMT 9.5
Alcohol ruins millions of lives. What does anyone else propose to help that problem? Paul
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Post by parkerdivine on Dec 11, 2012 21:28:43 GMT 9.5
A licence? the fact that I can produce 20 litres of homemade- wine standing at 18% by alcoholic volume for about 20 cents a litre in two weeks pretty much negates that idea. alcohol is too easy to make LOL!!! Good point...
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Post by parkerdivine on Dec 11, 2012 21:30:13 GMT 9.5
It wouldn't make it impossible to get alcohol. Just more difficult. And impose penalties for those supplying alcoholo illegally. And the only reason alcoholisn is declared a disease is so drunks won't have to take responsbility for being drunk. I drove drunk and killed a bus load of children. It's not my fault, it's a disease. I got drunk and beat my wife and kids. It's not my fault, it's a disease. Their life is living hell but hey, it's not my fault. I have to live my life responsibly so I have no sympathy at all for drunks and druggies. Oh by the way, the court ordered Chrysler to hire back workers who were fired for drinking and doing drugs while on the job. So know that if you by a Chrysler ti was built by stoned drunk workers. Paul Doubt it would work. It's a great concept and no doubt something needs to be done, but the rich get drunk and kill, too, and so long as they do, there will be no laws that will restrict the sell of alcohol. Sadly enough, it's easy for a criminal to get a gun, bullets AND a 5th of liquor.
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Post by robspace on Dec 13, 2012 11:04:23 GMT 9.5
You will never get anyone to modify their lifestyle until something big happens. I quit drinking 10 years ago, but I had to first go through my own personal hell. Crashed cars, jail time, etc. My mom died at 50 from drinking. My brother died at 52 from drinking. I want to live, and I know my liver won't take alcohol. It's in the dna. You can regulate and license it all you want, but in the end, people find a way around all laws. It takes a person wanting to change, to make it happen. No Betty Ford or Dr. Drew or any place or therapist can do what a person can do on their own. We, as humans are all born with great survival instincs. Our bodies want to live, and the brain likes to work with the body to stay alive. Alcohol lies to the brain. But, the brain knows better! In my life, it seems to me, that as fantastic a machine the human body is, there are two areas that are not built to take too many years of abuse, without failing. Those two, are the teeth and the liver. A better system update on the body would be to improve and make stronger, both of these areas. But then, who am I to tell the Boss how to do His job? Not me!
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Post by steelydan on Dec 15, 2012 15:25:04 GMT 9.5
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Post by Paul on May 27, 2013 13:40:30 GMT 9.5
Drunk drivers are not the only problem. Alcohol makes life hell for family members. Do you want to work with drunks. They f*** up what ever they touch. (The same holds true for dopers and druggies) Our present system does absolutely nothing to ease the pain and suffering alcohol causes. Paul
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Post by Cullyn Of Cerrmor on May 28, 2013 22:15:18 GMT 9.5
If you licence the people not the pubs may have some effect but I doubt if it would be very popular with governments who would probably not get as much money as licencing pubs as the costs would be greater. The UK had an interesting way of dealing with repeat drink drivers, prison or take a drug which makes drinking impossible.
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