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Post by robspace on Aug 14, 2008 11:05:24 GMT 9.5
For the last couple of years I have chatted via MSN Messenger with a college girl in the country of Georgia-I just sent her a message a few days ok asking how she was-this is what I just got back from her and I will keep posting what she says is happening around her- Rob says: Hey there-are you ok? Is the war ending and where are you from the fighting? +111 says: no I'm not ok actually capital city (where I live) is the most safe place in Georgia now but I hear so horrible news all this days I just can't stand all this Rob says: On the news it says that there is peace talks goin on-is the fighting slowing down any?
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Post by clifftimmons on Aug 14, 2008 11:13:35 GMT 9.5
How interesting Rob. Keep us informed.
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Post by nancy1340 on Aug 14, 2008 11:15:46 GMT 9.5
I can't imagine the terror she must be feeling. Please tell her that there are those in the US praying for her and her countrys safety.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 18:43:41 GMT 9.5
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Post by wvpeach1963 on Aug 15, 2008 0:08:01 GMT 9.5
yes those pictures are disturbing denise.
But its my opinion that if a country is going to wage war pictures like that should be all they see on the news.
If they are going to support war they should see what it looks like.
That said the picture of the baby and the soldier was heart warming.
May God's will be done in war torn lands.
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Post by clifftimmons on Aug 15, 2008 1:24:47 GMT 9.5
I disagree. SURPRISE! <grin>
All war looks like those disturbing pictures. It always has. Even the great Second World War looked like that. Pictures of this horrible incident is why we should have never allowed reporters to be "embedded" with our troops in Iraq. It didn't allow our troops to do what needed to be done in the invasion of Iraq. The military kills people and blows things up.
Had we gone in harder and not allowed the terrorists to escape in the beginning, and had we gone in and wiped them out, our job over there would be finished by now.
But we don't want to see pictures like the ones referred to here, we rely too much on "smart bombs and missiles, and we want to be politically correct.
There is nothing politically correct or decent about war. But sometimes it is needed.
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Post by wvpeach1963 on Aug 15, 2008 1:33:05 GMT 9.5
I completely disagree cliff. If a country is going to wage war the entire country should bear the consequences of that war.
A lot of people in this country have never even seen a dead body , yet in Iraq blood and body parts cluttered the streets.
What are we , people who live in a fantasy world of our own making?
If your going to sanction killing people it ought to be on the news every single night. So people can get the real feel for what their votes are causing.
I am a realistic , it never helps a thing to pretend something isn't happening.
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Post by wvpeach1963 on Aug 15, 2008 1:39:10 GMT 9.5
And chips or Epi can remove it if they want but here is what the war in iraq caused. People did loose their children . And our soldiers dying and came home maimed. Naw if we are going to wage war we need to look at it. There is something fundamentally wrong with a nation that wants to pretend everything is pretty and shiney while people die at our hands. Hiding our heads in the sand doesn't work. The sin was still committed.
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Post by nancy1340 on Aug 15, 2008 1:49:42 GMT 9.5
All publishing the photos does is harden us to the horrors of war. In Mexico they publish graphic pictures of murders in the newspaper's. They show people gathered around laughing and talking as if it were a daily occurrence. Which it has become down there.
If you look back in our own history when public hangings were the norm people would bring picnic lunches and sit around and watch them. It was like a circus. Very little gasping in horror when the body started shaking as the person died. If the hangman didn't do his job right and the head was decapitated you can see pictures of men, women and children all gathered around the separated body parts pointing and laughing. People pushing to get in the picture.
No publishing the photos does very little to deter war.
If you doubt it just look at kids today and the bloody violent video games they play. Then next time you hear of a kid committing a horrible murder and read where he was a fan of this or that rape, pillage and torture video ask yourself if it had a small part to play in his becoming hardened to blood and gore.
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Post by wvpeach1963 on Aug 15, 2008 3:01:31 GMT 9.5
You have got a point Nancy. But that is only for people who are not thinking right.
I remember watching a documentary recently where people were dancing and partying in the street at the news the bomb had been dropped in japan and over 200, 000 people killed in a instant.
I thought to myself no matter what the sins of world war 2 and the fact Japan and Germany had to be defeated what kind of people dances and cheers at the news 200,000 people were killed? Obviously not all of them were guilty of supporting the war. Children for example. How can we dance and cheer no matter the situation at the news of so much loss of human life?
That episode did bring about some good though. Theologians and people from all sides discussed and wrote about Repect for all human life.
So it would be with pictures of War. Some would callously shrug, some would say just another dead rag head or soldier who cares? And then some would discuss and debate the sanctity of human life even among people we call our enemies.
No good ever comes from hiding heads in sand and the prohibition against showing the war in this country serves the politicians well. That is all it does.
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Post by clifftimmons on Aug 15, 2008 3:18:24 GMT 9.5
I thought to myself no matter what the sins of world war 2 and the fact Japan and Germany had to be defeated what kind of people dances and cheers at the news 200,000 people were killed? Maybe the ones who have a clear understanding and are glad their loved ones wouldn't die in an invasion of Japan. Would you perfer it was American bodies in those pictures? Of course not. But sometimes it comes down to us or them.
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Post by Chips on Aug 15, 2008 8:25:10 GMT 9.5
I don't believe pople were dancing in the streets because of the bomb... they were dancing in the streets because the war was over.
In the case of UK they had been at war for 6 years, almost two of them fighting alone while suffering continual bombing, shortages of material and food.
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Post by nancy1340 on Aug 15, 2008 12:11:37 GMT 9.5
I don't believe pople were dancing in the streets because of the bomb... they were dancing in the streets because the war was over. In the case of UK they had been at war for 6 years, almost two of them fighting alone while suffering continual bombing, shortages of material and food. I agree Chips. I remember where they interviewed to the nurse in that famous picture where the sailor bent her back and planted a big ol' kiss on her. She said she and some of her friends went to Times Square to celebrate the end of the war. Not a word was said about being happy about the bomb.
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Post by thelion on Aug 15, 2008 14:40:29 GMT 9.5
smr.gov.ge/uploads/file/annex/annex6.pdfI am told that the above document is the start of the UN authorised peace keeping mission for both provinces in Georgia and that the said UN security council resolutions have continued to Present. The latest one tells Georgia not to make threats to the Provinces let alone attack them. It seems that the Georgian President has something to answer for doesnt he. The CIS are the initials for the Russians
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Post by robspace on Aug 16, 2008 23:20:42 GMT 9.5
It bothers me to see the photos of war but THATS WAR!-It's about killing the enemy. The other day I watched the American musician Herbie Hancock on world tour. They played in Japan and he wanted to take time out to go to Nagasaki to the museum and memorial there for the people who died from "the bomb"-Thats fine but when he started to say how we owe them an apology for dropping it ,I got upset. My dad faught in that war and he made it home in one piece but many others didn't and the only way that war eneded was with that big bomb or thousands of smaller ones for who knows how many more years and lives later. I don't think we owe them an apology for anything. Have you seen how the POWs were treated? Bamboo under fingernails etc. Had the Japanese had that bomb, we would be speaking Japanese right now. They would have dropped them all over America no problem.For anyone to think it was something to cheer about or feel good about is wrong. It was the only option available. And it was us or them. Germany would have had it real soon also. We were just very lucky to be living here when it was first used. Can you imagine what Hitler would have done with that? It's a chilling thought. Look at all the damage he did to innocent people just using conventional weapons.During Viet Nam we saw alot of war photos every night. This is not new. And once we leave Iraq Obama wants to head right into Aphfganistan. Hopefully we get better info on the real enemy this time out. And just maybe we will be given the real truth of the situation instead of alot of lies~
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