Iraq- started in 1990 when hussein invaded Kuwait. Was in violation of at least seventeen un sanctions. un weapons inspectors stated they expected hussein to wait until sanctions ran out and then restart WMD programs. We did find evidence of WMD programs.
Vandalism- the only vandalism I heard about was missing w keys.
Vaccine- OK, so we didn't let potentially contaminated vaccine into the country. Paul
Here's a bunch. And Iraq wasn't occupied by clinton. Bush JR went in there despite sanctions and against advice from the UN.
How on earth, Paul, with what we know now can you possibly support the man and the party of republicans who dumped our nation into the gutter? Who refuse to allow health care competition to drive down prices? how can you perpetuate lies that come from the republican camp? I'm just curious.
Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #31 on Nov 6, 2009, 1:42pm »
What we know now is that hussein did in fact have chem weapons. The un inspectors said he was waitng for the santions to be lifted to restart all his WMD programs. Those santions were against iraq. The "advice" came from un officials who we now know were taking bribes from hussein to buy weapons with money that was supposed to be going for food. The demoncrats plan will NOT lower the cost of health care. Tell me now what lies you refer to. Paul
Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #32 on Nov 6, 2009, 1:45pm »
And I have to point out once again because I've not seen anyone here address this. hussein invaded Kuwait. Without provocation. If he hadn't, there would have been no need to go back. Paul
Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #33 on Nov 7, 2009, 9:21pm »
1. He was removed from Kuwait. He was no threat to us then but we still fought to remove him. We did so we with the consent and aid of a majority of nations.
2. He invaded Iran in 1980. We helped him by selling him equipment ( along with the Europeans ) to make chemical weapons. He used chemical weapons against Iran. We chastised him and continued to allow ( encourage ) the Europeans to sell him equipment. We did not defend Iran nor send troops to remove him from their territory. We did, however, design a system to sell the Iranians spare parts for their American made weapons - a system designed to circumvent a multi nation embargo ( which we agreed to support ) intended to keep such parts from reaching Iran.
3. We invaded Afghanistan in 2002 without provocation. Afghanistan had not attacked us nor had they attacked neighboring countries. We did so without provocation. We did so with the consent and aid of many nations.
4. We invaded Iraq in 2003. Iraq had not attacked neighboring countries nor had they attacked us. We did so without provocation.
Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #34 on Nov 9, 2009, 12:41pm »
1.) The ubn inspectors said he WAS a threat.
2.) No one else supported iran either. hussien DID have chem weapons and his using them against iran and his OWN people is further proof of his threat.
3.) We invade Afghanistan because the 9/11 attackers were using it as a base.
4.) If a crook is out on parole and is violating conditions of his parole, he goes back to prison. We don't wait for him to kill someone else. Paul
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Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #35 on Nov 9, 2009, 6:37pm »
That's not how I remember it......
Iraq disarmament crisis (2002-2003)
During the Iraq disarmament crisis before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Blix was called back from retirement by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to lead United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission in charge of monitoring Iraq. Kofi Annan originally recommended Rolf Ekéus, who worked with UNSCOM in the past, but both Russia and France vetoed his appointment. Newt Gingrich stated that approving Blix as chief UN weapons inspector was one of the biggest mistakes the United States ever made.[citation needed]
Hans Blix personally admonished Saddam for "cat and mouse" games [3] and warned Iraq of "serious consequences" if it attempted to hinder or delay his mission [4].
In his report to the UN Security Council on 14 February 2003, Blix claimed that "If Iraq had provided the necessary cooperation in 1991, the phase of disarmament -- under resolution 687 -- could have been short and a decade of sanctions could have been avoided." [5]
Blix's statements about the Iraq WMD program came to contradict the claims of the George W. Bush administration, [6] and attracted a great deal of criticism from supporters of the invasion of Iraq. In an interview on BBC TV on 8 February 2004, Dr. Blix accused the US and British governments of dramatising the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to strengthen the case for the 2003 war against the regime of Saddam Hussein. Ultimately, no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction were found. [7]
In an interview with London's Guardian newspaper, Hans Blix said, "I have my detractors in Washington. There are bastards who spread things around, of course, who planted nasty things in the media" [8].
In 2004, Blix published a book, Disarming Iraq, where he gives his account of the events and inspections before the coalition began its invasion.
Blix said he suspected his home and office were bugged by the United States, while he led teams searching for Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction.[3]Although these suspicions were never directly substantiated, evidence of bugging of UN security council representatives around the time the US was seeking approval from the council came to light after a British government translator leaked a document "allegedly from an American National Security Agency" requesting that British intelligence put wiretaps on delegates to the UN security council.[4]
Followed by.......
Blix: Iraq War Was Illegal Blair's defense is bogus, says the former UN weapons inspector
by Anne Penketh in Stockholm and Andrew Grice
The former chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has declared that the war in Iraq was illegal, dealing another devastating blow to Tony Blair.
Mr Blix, speaking to The Independent, said the Attorney General's legal advice to the Government on the eve of war, giving cover for military action by the US and Britain, had no lawful justification. He said it would have required a second United Nations resolution explicitly authorizing the use of force for the invasion of Iraq last March to have been legal.
Former UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix. (AFP/File/Sven Nackstrand)
His intervention goes to the heart of the current controversy over Lord Goldsmith's advice, and comes as the Prime Minister begins his fightback with a speech on Iraq today.
An unrepentant Mr Blair will refuse to apologize for the war in Iraq, insisting the world is a better place without Saddam Hussein in power. He will point to the wider benefits of the Iraq conflict, citing Libya's decision to give up its weapons of mass destruction, but warn that the world cannot turn a blind eye to the continuing threat from WMD.
But, in an exclusive interview, Mr Blix said: "I don't buy the argument the war was legalized by the Iraqi violation of earlier resolutions."
And it appeared yesterday that the Government shared that view until the eve of war, when it received the Lord Goldsmith's final advice.
Sir Andrew Turnbull, the Cabinet Secretary, revealed that the Government had assumed, until the eve of war in Iraq, that it needed a specific UN mandate to authorize military action.
Mr Blix demolished the argument advanced by Lord Goldsmith three days before the war began, which stated that resolution 1441 authorized the use of force because it revived earlier UN resolutions passed after the 1991 ceasefire.
Mr Blix said that while it was possible to argue that Iraq had breached the ceasefire by violating UN resolutions adopted since 1991, the "ownership" of the resolutions rested with the entire 15-member Security Council and not with individual states. "It's the Security Council that is party to the ceasefire, not the UK and US individually, and therefore it is the council that has ownership of the ceasefire, in my interpretation."
He said to challenge that interpretation would set a dangerous precedent. "Any individual member could take a view - the Russians could take one view, the Chinese could take another, they could be at war with each other, theoretically," Mr Blix said.
The Attorney General's opinion has come under fresh scrutiny since the collapse of the trial against the GCHQ whistleblower Katharine Gun last week, prompting calls for his full advice to be made public.
Mr Blix, who is an international lawyer by training, said: "I would suspect there is a more skeptical view than those two A4 pages," in a reference to Clare Short's contemptuous description of the 358-word summary.
It emerged on Wednesday that a Foreign Office memo, sent to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee on the same day that Lord Goldsmith's summary was published, made clear that there was no "automaticity" in resolution 1441 to justify war.
Asked whether, in his view, a second resolution authorizing force should have been adopted, Mr Blix replied: "Oh yes."
In the interview, ahead of the publication next week of his book Disarming Iraq: The search for weapons of mass destruction, Mr Blix dismissed the suggestion that Mr Blair should resign or apologize over the failure to find any WMD in Iraq.
But he suggested that the Prime Minister may have been fatally wounded by his loss of credibility, and that voters would deliver their verdict. "Some people say Bush and Blair should be put before a tribunal and I say that you have the punishment in the political field here," he said. "Their credibility has been affected by this: Bush too lost some credibility."
He repeated accusations the US and British governments were "hyped" intelligence and lacking critical thinking. "They used exclamation marks instead of question marks."
"I have some understanding for that. Politicians have to simplify to explain, they also have to act in this world before they have 100 per cent evidence. But I think they went further."
"But I never said they had acted in bad faith," he added. "Perhaps it was worse that they acted out of good faith."
The threat allegedly posed by Saddam's WMD was the prime reason cited by the British government for going to war. But not a single item of banned weaponry has been found in the 11 months that have followed the declared end of hostilities. Mr Blair will argue that similar decisive action will need to be taken in future to combat the threat of rogue states and terrorists obtaining WMD.
_____________________________________ "We are all visitors to this time, this place. We are just passing through. Our purpose here is to observe, to learn, to grow, to love... and then we return home." -- Australian Aboriginal Proverb
No, he wasn't. We can go back and forth on this - but the facts fall on fact that he wasn't - not to us.
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2.) No one else supported iran either. hussien DID have chem weapons and his using them against iran and his OWN people is further proof of his threat.
Yes, he did. He got them from us. They were long gone by the time we invaded in 2003. If not, where were they when we arrived? There were no stockpiles - and just barely sniffs of what he supposedly had - all remnants of the Reagan era.
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3.) We invade Afghanistan because the 9/11 attackers were using it as a base.
No, we invaded Afghanistan because Bush was impatient and too many Americans wanted revenge. We were negotiating to get Osama without war - but Bush and company saw an opportunity they could not resist. We wanted to over throw the taliban to spite them and capture Osama - we accomplished neither during Bush's reign - and we will never accomplish either. The government of Afghanistan did not invade us - they did not attack. We just figured it would make a lot of citizens feel real good about themselves if we over ran a fourth rate country with our massive military might. And we still can defeat them.
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4.) If a crook is out on parole and is violating conditions of his parole, he goes back to prison. We don't wait for him to kill someone else. Paul
I'll wait for that list of convictions against hussein. Those crimes he committed against the United States of America. Those crimes he was found guilty of by US courts. We let 20 or more countries in the world kill their own citizens. Shoot, the United States kills citizens from other countries regularly. And we don't attack ourselves for doing so. What made Saddam so special the we single him out?
Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #37 on Nov 12, 2009, 10:53am »
You're right. We can go back and forth on this. You Bush and hate Republicans. I'm not always that crazy about them myself. But the majority of you here are in lock step with the demoncrats. You support every single solitary thing they do. Obama has never and will never do anyhing wrong. Tortuure unborn babies to death. Homosexuality is the new standard. communsits are our new idols. government control over every aspect of our lives. Silence are communications that are not worshipful enough of Obama and demoncrats. Imprison Republicans and Independents who will not convert. And on and on. Paul
But the majority of you here are in lock step with the demoncrats. You support every single solitary thing they do. Obama has never and will never do anyhing wrong. Tortuure unborn babies to death. Homosexuality is the new standard. communsits are our new idols. government control over every aspect of our lives. Silence are communications that are not worshipful enough of Obama and demoncrats. Imprison Republicans and Independents who will not convert. And on and on. Paul
I don't think ANYONE on this forum wants what you say we want Paul.
Of course I don't mean to speak for others, so I'll hope that, if they exist, the baby torturers will forgive my presumption.
What we know now is that hussein did in fact have chem weapons. The un inspectors said he was waitng for the santions to be lifted to restart all his WMD programs. Those santions were against iraq. The "advice" came from un officials who we now know were taking bribes from hussein to buy weapons with money that was supposed to be going for food. The demoncrats plan will NOT lower the cost of health care. Tell me now what lies you refer to. Paul
Sure, the ones Daddy Bush and Reagan gave him...but he had none at the time Junior invaded...we know THAT for a fact.
You're right. We can go back and forth on this. You Bush and hate Republicans. I'm not always that crazy about them myself. But the majority of you here are in lock step with the demoncrats. You support every single solitary thing they do. Obama has never and will never do anyhing wrong. Tortuure unborn babies to death. Homosexuality is the new standard. communsits are our new idols. government control over every aspect of our lives. Silence are communications that are not worshipful enough of Obama and demoncrats. Imprison Republicans and Independents who will not convert. And on and on. Paul
At least you've managed to cover everything Rush has taught you to say.
The simple fact is you don't speak for the democrats, a collection of voters who are keeping a watchful eye on Obama and calling his faults quicker than they called them on the last administration. We watched over Bush, we're watching over Obama. Sadly, conservatives found no fault in Bush and didn't help us then. This time they are, to some extent, working with us. So the republican party ( the party of do nothing and no ideas ) is finally seeing that the democrats have it right - call out the administration when they are not serving the people.
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Re: Singing Obama's praises.................. « Reply #42 on Nov 22, 2009, 9:27pm »
Both parties, IMO make things worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those elected to the position of being president owe lots of favors to special interest groups, corporations, etc., since they were elected, hence most are puppets! IMO. Same thing for anyone in political office anywhere in the US -- puppets! IMO
Most people forget, the US Government is BIG BUSINESS and as such, they will do all kinds of stuff that is bad for most Americans and other countries. Washington DC is full of corruption.
As far as the song on YouTube...as long as I am not required to sing it, I do not care.
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